73p

Does seem like low prices,would be interested in seeing what the license terms are for the sales,i have had a couple of sales here, not great but not too bad money wise but i would like Demotix to give a more detailed sales report which states the length and type of license sold. I agree if Demotix goes the micro stock way then its not worth it for me,the race to the bottom is for others to participate in.

Sorry your images didn't achieve the price that we had hoped for!
We sometimes offer trial periods to new clients, this was a case of one such trail. Usage in the early phase of this agreement was low, so the per image price was very good for all the photographers who had images used (over £15 per thumbnail used), which is a good rate for the size of image used and no where near micro-stock prices. Unfortunately towards the end of the trial they used many more images than projected, dropping the per image rate to unacceptable levels, so we terminated the trial immediately.

Demotix is all about using new and innovative ways to make a real dent in this already over-saturated industry and we've been pretty successful at doing this so far. Sales is no different; we sell your work in the usual ways, but also try different ways to increase revenue which is ultimately aimed to benefit you guys. We can only make money when you make money so it's not in our interest to under-sell your work so please be assured that we have you at the core of our thoughts in everything we do. We also need to hear your thoughts on what we do, so please do continue to give us feedback!

Sorry that you lost out this time, but next time I hope you'll be on the receiving end of the 'good' part!

Juliette,

Thank you for your answer.

Richard

BTW one question remains unanswered. Is it a one time use or will I be seeing these images used and re-used?

regards,

Richard

You are lucky guy Richard, that You have 73p per picture, I have 69 p per picture sold to "zapaday"....

BTW: Today is one year until one of my picture was published and it's still not paid....

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hat pisses me off is Demotix take 50% insist on pay pay and THEN they deduct a Paypal fee. The PayPal fee should be part of the 50%

@Richard - it's a one-time usage. This is our general policy - any re-use of any image will be billed again.

Michal: Juliette will be getting back to you about your image later today.

Chris: We have to "insist" on Paypal as it's actually the cheapest and simplest way to pay people in a lot of the countries where we have contributors. Doing hundreds of international bank transfers would be a massive timesink and cost a lot more in fees.

I put insist in quotation marks as you also have the option of using Moneybookers, which has fixed fees of around £1.50 to withdraw money you've received, compared to Paypal's 3.4% +20p fees for receiving money.

but surely those fees should be part of your 50% not taken from mine.

However I will look at the other lot you use.

I would prefer bank transfer. It's what we use in business. Also it is free on all our business accounts.

@Michal - We've been in touch with the reseller and are awaiting payment from them. We are aware of this sale via PA and cannot do any more than we have done already. PA are a chasing their client for the payment and when they receive the money, they will pay us - we can then pay you.

We encourage you to email us about these usage which helps us to keep our resellers on their toes.

@Juliette

"We encourage you to email us about these usage which helps us to keep our resellers on their toes." -

Juliette - sorry but I've informed You and Ossie dozen times about this usage. Last time 2 weeks ago to Ossie. And every time I hear the same...
It's one year left until this usage. It's not even funny it's black comedy.

Chris - IIRC there was actually a big kerfuffle about this a few years ago on eBay.

Merchants on eBay (and elsewhere) were demanding that buyers pay the Paypal fees on the items they bought, which would normally be paid by the party receiving money.

In the end eBay/Paypal stepped in and essentially said anyone caught doing this would be banned from their services.

I'd love to be able to transfer everyone every penny of what they've earned from their work, but at the moment these are the methods that we're able to use. We'll always be looking at new payment methods, and it may be that as the company grows we're able to switch to one that offers more favourable terms.

Thanks for that Tom. I did not realise it was down to eBay.

As you say it is still early days for Demotix and these things don't happen over night.

@ Michal - We are chasing PA because of the email you've sent us, but we cannot pay you until we have received money from our reseller, PA.

PA will not pay us until they receive the money from their client, which they have not yet received.

Ossie has been in contact with PA several times about this usage, but as I said above there is very little we can do other than continue to bother them about the usage and generally make a nuisance of ourselves.

It is genuinely useful for you to email us when you think a payment has been missed, as it prompts us to continue trying to extract payment or informs us of a usage that we did not know about.

In this case, though, Ossie tells me that he responded to your last email a couple of weeks ago to say that he has been in touch with PA again about this usage.

We're just as frustrated about non-payment as you, because just like you we are making our living by selling images. We have just as much incentive to collect the payment as you do, which is why we're continuing to chase it.

I myself and many of the other Demotix staff have also worked as freelance photographers and have experienced exactly these problems. We know it's no laughing matter to feel that someone is using your work for free.

In these cases, though, we have our options limited just as much as you do - and we are forced to be just as patient as we are asking you to be.

The problem is that everyone pays *at least* 30 days (or 60 days in some cases) after the end of the month etc... so with Demotix, A. N. Other and the client in the chain you are up to 6 months there to start with if all goes well.

Also the bigger the company the longer it takes with more chance of an error (which of course resets the clocks) I run a couple of businesses and I can tell you it is the same everywhere not just in photography.

The problem in the news photo industry is the large number of citizen journalists flooding the market with images and bringing down the costs just as happened with the Stock Image market... we have no one to blame but ourselves.

@Juliette

I'm very patient believe me, but I'm also ashamed asking so many times for my money.
I'm in this job for over 10 years I cooperate with Polish, Russian, Ukrainian, Sweedish and German photo agencies , and I had NEVER wait so long for payment, and also NEVER recived GBP 69p for picture...

michal I must confess that this is not really my subject and I don.t know how much you are owned. sometimes I have to wait months and months for hundreds of euros for my day job. and my clients want to pay me immediately but there is nothing they can do to get the accounts system moving. personally I.d be happy to get .69p for an image but it seems no one is interested in Madrid- and I try quite hard to tag well and I do try to file stories regularly. It.s quite depressing that people are only interested in images of police beating up protesters from Madrid.

"@Richard - it's a one-time usage. This is our general policy - any re-use of any image will be billed again."

Julliette, once again thank you for taking time to answer.

"cooperate with Polish, Russian, Ukrainian, Sweedish and German photo agencies , and I had NEVER wait so long for payment,"

Michal, Before going professional as a photographer I worked in the accounts department of a hotel. After a while one got used to differing countries paying policies. It was quite embarrassing considering my background, but the UK customers were very, very often the worst when it came to payments, strikingly so. Not saying that Demotix is bad, but I assume they only pay us after being paid by the customer - who are very often in the UK.
(The media industry too would have alarm bells ringing before giving credit.)
Which is no consolation to yourself, but....

@Lawrence As I said at the begining I'm waiting 1 year for payment.

If you want know my oppinion why You have no sales email me please (my adress is in my profile) it's not for public forum.

It seems my message of yesterday didn't get through..

Juliette, thank you for your reassurance.

Michal, I used to work in accounts and there were two groups which stood out as being difficult payers, one was the media industry and the other was, somewhat embarrassingly given my background, the UK (a generalisation with exceptions, of course.) I am pretty sure that Demotix pay us as soon as they get the money but they are, in many cases collecting from the media industry in the UK.

Do you ever had problems about media who doesn't inform Demotix about the usage of our pictures?

I had a lucky day with my pictures of police beating students in Valencia. I sold some of the pictures to spanish newspapers, tv news, magazines...and one fellow from Denmark contacted me to inform me that one of my pictures was the international head of Politiken newspaper in Denmark. And later I discovered that picture was the main news picture of Corbis Wire selection of the day. I'm very proud of that, yep, but I have doubts about if all media that use the pictures are going to inform Demotix.
I only know about Politiken, and in Demotix sales doesn't say nothing about it.

Seriously, i'm very tired about have to cut my post in several ones for jumping over the spam bot :-S

Marc: it's very rare for one of our regular clients to use an image without informing us. If they used one image without paying for it, they'd risk not having access to any images from Demotix in future, which is worth a lot more than getting one image for free.

It takes time for media to report to us, as we try to explain every time someone asks this question. Until now, we've only been adding sales to your dashboard that we know we will be paid for. In the near future, we'll be updating this to show sales that we have sent invoices for, so you'll know about sales more quickly.

As for the spam bot, it's a lot easier for you and for me if you're a bit patient - I check the spam queue every day and publish posts by real contributors, so if you post the same thing 10 times I just have to delete more stuff...

Oh, sorry about Spam bot, I was trying new ways to jump over it and I was sending a lot of messages to the bot, sorry about that. (I didn't know you check it manually).

Thank you for your hard work Tom. My doubts weren't about Demotix, they were about media. Knowing about sales more quickly would be great.

Perhaps if tom has to delet 10 repeted posts very time we get one blocked maybe the spam bot wil get fixed?

Is it not possible to sell images to Demotix's clients by making them pre-purchase credits against which they can download images?

It is time ALL picture agencies started treating their clients as the poor creditors they are. The whole we'll-pay-you-when-we-get-paid thing is no way to do business and smacks of undercapitalisation; if you can't afford to pay timeously, you shouldn't be in business.

If the agencies (and photographers) don't stand together on this, we will all be out of business. It would take just one or two days of witholding all image sales to make the media realise that our pictures and words DO generate them revenue for them and DO deserve not only timeous payment (within at the most 30 days) but payments that allow us to profit from our work.

The media has no business asking for/ insisting on credit when they are the end user. We all need to make a stand.

They will just go somewhere else. IT is a buyers market with every phone owner being a news photographer.

They will just go somewhere else. IT is a buyers market with every phone owner being a news photographer.