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tombarfield
Tom Barfield
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Hi all,

I'm back with some more web design for you to get excited about!

I've uploaded a whole stack of images for you to take a look at here:

just click the magnifying glass in the top right to see them at a larger size.

Here's an index to the annotation numbers:

Option 1
1. Profile Information
2. Badges/Awards (we're not sure we want to do these yet!)
3. Display of user-selected favourite images as a block of images
4. Menu of user's previously uploaded stories
5. (on image 2) - how your stories would be displayed when selected

Option 2
1. Profile Information
2. Group Information (again, we're not certain this will be happening... yet)
3. You can filter your previously-uploaded stories by category
4. This is how stories are displayed

Option 3
1. Profile Information
2. Display of user-selected favourite images as a block of images.
3. (on image 2) You can filter your previously-uploaded stories by category
4. (on image 2) This is how stories are displayed

Option 4
1. Profile Information
2. Group Information
3. Display of user-selected favourite images as a block of images.
4. (on image 2) List of previously-uploaded stories
5. (on image 3) User's uploads as individual images
6. (on image 4) A map showing locations where the reporter has uploaded photos (using geotagging/location database)

Option 5
1. Profile Information
2. Badges/Awards
3. Display of user-selected favourite images as a block of images.
4. List of previously-uploaded stories
5. All user's previously-uploaded images
6, A map showing locations where the reporter has uploaded photos

Slideshow
1. Ability to filter by story

We won't be running a vote this time, because there's just too much to talk about. Tell us what you like about any of these (or anything you hate) - which elements would make you proud to link to it as your personal Demotix portfolio?

Tom Barfield- Site Editor and Community Manager
twitter: @tombarfield
email: tom {at} demotix.com

epoca_libera
epoca libera
Joined: 20/04/2010
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Hello Tom,
It is a fine idea to make the profile page with configurable design.
I like the slideshow and I also like the ability to have in my profile page a number of stories not just a few.
I do not like the idea to show only one or two or three stories on my profile page.
I think the slideshow would be with the covers of the stories I would select.

I do not like the idea of the best images tab (profile option 4). What is the meaning of best images, when we speak about stories? What criteria would make this comparison, I really do not know.
I do not even like "my favorites" tab. Here we speak about what is happening to other people.

I wish you good work!
Regards.

http://www.facebook.com/epocalibera
https://plus.google.com/110576031994774477288

jagraphics
Chris Hills
Joined: 29/05/2010
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You know my views on profile content re ID image, real name etc. Smile Particularly those who want a Press Card

Badges and awards? Unless you mean places we have been published and real photo/journalist awards then no thanks. (this isn't flikr)

I like the slideshow of a *FEW* of my best images. I assume that I can go and tag up to say 10 images that are already loaded and in stories for the slide show. This means you can only have photos published in stories on the slide show. Also I suggest a limit of 10. (for orderly queue here to argue Smile

Also I would make many of the new features only available to those with self publishing rights. IE those who have proved themselves with real stories images, properly captioned and keyworded etc. You don't want people signing up and having a slide show and no stories and using it like flikr etc.

Chris Hills
Jagraphics
www.jagraphics.co.uk/photo

SojournerMedia
Peter Manning
Joined: 26/08/2008
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After a quick browse, I prefer profile option 3.
I think the main user details should stay to the side and allow images/stories to also be at the top of the page,
I also like the tabs, they seem to be a nice way to navigate, would the images etc on unopened tabs be pre-fetched so to open as soon as a person clicked on a new tab?
Any chance of a interactive map on the user profile showing locations of uploaded stories.

jagraphics
Chris Hills
Joined: 29/05/2010
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interactive map? that is going to require people to upload GPS coordinates with their images. Not a problem for me as I use a GPS unit but how many others do?

However we must not loose sight of the fact that Demotix is a newswire not flikr, smug mug etc

Chris Hills
Jagraphics
www.jagraphics.co.uk/photo

KenJack
Ken Jack
Joined: 12/08/2010
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Good idea to improve this page. I do refer people to Demotix pages to view examples of my work, but currently it takes a bit of working through to see a cross-section from different stories, and different categories of story. For this reason I more often refer them to Corbis pages which show a good cross-section of my work at a glance.

However, I would prefer them to be able to view it on the Demotix site, because that has the story and not just the pics, and that will be one of the strengths of your proposed re-design as far as I am concerned.

I like Option 1 best. It has greater impact than some of the more symmetrical layouts in other options, and it has a nice balance between information and images, whilst keeping each in its own area - so the info doesn't distract from the images, and the images don't distract from the info.

Keep up the good work!

Ken
www.kenjackagencies.com

Ken Jack

SojournerMedia
Peter Manning
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You don't need GPS coordinates to have a story located on a map (although it automates it) you can add the location yourself, it's very easy, and I wouldn't have suggested it if I didn't think there was value to adding it to the Demotix site, I believe it adds value to the story to pin point an images location, an example could be the London riots, being able to look at a map of London and see all the stories published on that topic.

koolbreez
Steve Storey
Joined: 10/07/2010
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From my experience the profile should list the stories published in order from newest to oldest. That is what anyone that is looking at the profile for commercial interests is concerned with. They see the pictures they consider quality, not what the photographer might consider good. There is, and can be a big difference.

There is also the instances of photojournalists here getting credentials from organizations other than Demotix, and they require seeing the work you've had published in chronological order, not a sampling.

This should be the emphasis in the new design, to make it fit with what meets the objective of having a professional site profile, that being making it easy for potential employers, assignment providers, and credential researchers finding the information they need. This should not be a place for social contact, and the "oh look at what I've done" crowd. This should be geared at the needs of who it is supposedly aimed at.

Just a Traveler With a Camera

pezdeleon
Andres Pantoja
Joined: 22/05/2011
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Hi Tom, Its a good idea redesign the profile page, after seeing the designs I think the option 4 is the best. The design has a good balance betwen information and images

I like the idea to have in the profile page the option to write Badges/Awards, My links, followers and following and quick links.

The slide show is excellent, I think the gray that you used is good and useful in order to visualize the material.

It migh be bettert to use more orange colour in the design.

Regards

www.andrespantoja.com

devgogoi
Dev Gogoi
Joined: 30/10/2009
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Options 2 and 4 just don't appeal to me, where the profile info takes up the top of the page and the photos are pushed to the bottom.

Profile Slideshow doesn't quite seem to match the rest of the Demotix site, which tends to the white rather than the black.

My bias is for maximum info. So the tabbed pages of Option 5 combined with the left-hand sidebar contents of Option 1 and Option 3 would be my hybrid ideal.

Whichever the final implementation, kudos for yet another significant enhancement of the interface!

jagraphics
Chris Hills
Joined: 29/05/2010
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Just a few thoughts... There are twitter and face book links. Not all of have or want them (and some may not want to link them to the profile page anyway) . Also some of us have our own web sites. So I think we need an optional set for twitter, Facebook, website, and Linked in.....

Also I assume that the new profiles will require a real ID picture and name (other than the few cases Demotix indicated where real personal security is required) as suggested by the Demotix Anonymity policy we reviewed?

Not sure what you mean by badges and award Pulitzers?
Or Groups for that matter. No idea what they would be.

If you have Geotaging you need to make sure your Lightroom and and Photo Mechanic plugins also upload the GPS data. I don't want to have to add it on-line later and in fact probably would not bother to add it if I have to do it manually.

Perhaps it might help if Demotix spelled out where they want to go and how they want to develop in the next few years.

Chris Hills
Jagraphics
www.jagraphics.co.uk/photo

p3cpl
Michal Fludra
Joined: 26/04/2010
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Hi Tom

I've recived Your email, so I'm writing here.

What I need on the profile page - the answer is nothing.

I don't need profile page at all. I think that Demotix is not a social media, but the photo agency.

I need good working dashboard , where i can see my sales, where I can manage my photos and nothing more.

Best

Michal Fludra

Nir-Alon
Nir Alon
Joined: 12/12/2008
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Although I wouldn't go as far as Michal and I do think that an improved profile page would be a benefit, I agree with him wholeheartedly - "Demotix is not a social media, but the photo agency. I need good working dashboard , where i can see my sales, where I can manage my photos and nothing more."

Nir Alon
Jerusalem
http://ImagesOfMyThoughts.com
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Images-Of-My-Thoughts-com/141523159234806

jagraphics
Chris Hills
Joined: 29/05/2010
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I agree to some extent. Not sure about the slide show... photographers should have their own web sites. Not sure about the links to the social networking either. However we do need to be able to identify Demotix reporters.

The email-me button is a good idea.

Chris Hills
Jagraphics
www.jagraphics.co.uk/photo

FOOTYPIXSPORTS
FOOTYPIXSPORTS Colin Shorrock
Joined: 11/07/2009
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Hi, I agree with Michal about Demotix being the photo agency, but I do like Concept one. I'm for anything that makes the job of the picture buyer easier in-terms of finding and selecting photo's.

The e-mail me button is a good idea, I agree with Chris on that one.

thanks

Colin Shorrock
Footypix Sports

lynchpics
john Lynch
Joined: 08/06/2009
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How would you know that the photo used as ID is really that person? Seems strange to me that having your mugshot on the website seems to be such a big issue here. Regarding the layout of the site option 3 looks good to me. I think keeping it quick and easy for potential buyers to view images is more important than having badges etc on the design as others have said Demotix is a photo agency and not a Facebook type site. A closed forum could provide a "social network" for Demotix members if they required it.

jagraphics
Chris Hills
Joined: 29/05/2010
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re id images. With the name and the photo on the profile it is easier for people to check. Also the profile image would be used for the Demotix Press Card. this makes it more difficult to use some one else's identity.

BTW there is a Chris Hills 30km south of me in the same line as my main company and another Chris Hills 30km north who is also on Demotix. As it stands there is nothing to stop me joining Demoitix with any name I fancy.... including YOURS

In journalism it is important to know the sources of the information and to be able to verify them. In the cases where a journalist uses a source that is kept confidential the journalist has to know who they are dealing with even if the information is not released. Demotix contributors are liked the journalists. They ARE or should be known and can be verified so you have some confidence in their sources. there are very few cases where a Demotix reporter needs to be anonymous.

Chris Hills
Jagraphics
www.jagraphics.co.uk/photo

Pudyanto
Robertus Pudyanto
Joined: 11/08/2011
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hi Tom ...
i think option 1 is OK.
good enough.
the most important is increased the selling ... expand the networking...
thank you ...

R. Pudyanto

lynchpics
john Lynch
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Chris

I have work with various agencies,not one asks for an id photo. As far as i am aware the Demotix press pass is not recognised by the press card authority who issue press/media credentials to professional newsgatherers in the UK. It carries no more weight than using your own business card here in the UK. Yes i would agree if you want a Demotix press pass you would need to produce a photograph that is obvious, but what if you don't want the press pass?

There could be 100 john lynch's on this site,to be honest i cant see how having my id pic online would make any difference,its my images that are up for sale that buyers see. I doubt that buyers at Demotix care that people have or do not have a id photo. If Demotix were able to issue a press pass through the UK gatekeepers scheme then you would have to provide proof of id etc. Even then i can see no reason for having your photo on the website if you do not wish it.

Regarding being anonymous Demotix have contributors details when they agree to sell work through Demotix so i cant see the problem,the fact that you or i do not know what they look like makes no difference.

jagraphics
Chris Hills
Joined: 29/05/2010
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I agree re theoretical Demotix Press card validity in the UK. In practice I have had it accepted at face value as a Press Card by about 8 different Police forced (inc Met, MOD BTP) and the BBC! If you want a Demotix Press card then you should have your name and ID on the profile.

The problem with Demotix is the proof of ID. for most other agencies and certainly all those in the UKPCA need real proof of id.

The other problem is there are political activists on Demotix who are anonymous and target various other groups. This can cause problems... Amusingly I was at one demonstration and was asked who I was. I showed the Demotix Press Pass and was told "good, you are on our side!" I have also had the opposite reaction and another event. this is because we have anonymous people posting heavily biased stories.

If They were open with their identity it would make me much safer. Other Demotix Reporters have had a similar experience

Chris Hills
Jagraphics
www.jagraphics.co.uk/photo

lynchpics
john Lynch
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Demotix is based on the idea of citizen journalism so no matter what checks are put in people who want to abuse the system will find a way to do it. False id photos and false details are easy to sort out if you are the type of person that would want to do that. The only way to counter that would be as we both said for Demotix to get accepted and offer a press card through the gatekeeper scheme which for UK based photographers would provide ample proof of who they are etc. Will this happen,who knows.

Demotix from what i have seen is making an impact and i would love them to impact big time on the bigger names in the industry and get bigger and better,photography can in one great picture say more than a 1000 words,its just a shame that the newspaper and to an extent the magazine industry in the UK has failed to showcase this in the last 10 years or so. When i first heard of Demotix i hoped it might turn out like the Magnum agency,that is a very big ask but Demotix is young and still finding its place there's bound to be growing pains ad not everyone will be happy but it will be interesting to see where the journey takes us.

Onwards and upwards as they say.

SojournerMedia
Peter Manning
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I think the social media links are a good idea, I would go a step further and suggest that Demotix even integrate with the likes of Facebook & Twitter through their API's, I have a Facebook 'Page' (not to be confused with your personal Facebook profile) & a Twitter account specifically for my work, I currently have a set up to pull data from my Demotix RSS feed and publish a post to my Facebook Page every time I load a new story on Demotix and that in turn pushes a tweet to my Twitter account, it's automatic & it's free!

I also disagree that Demotix is not social media, "Citizen Journalism" I'm not sure how more social your media could get...

petermarshall
Peter Marshall
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I'd like to see Demotix thinking of itself essentially as a picture agency. One that sells good photography from whoever, and also one that publishes news stories itself.

I'm not interested in it as social networking and although I post links to my Demotix stories on both Twitter and Facebook I think I can do so far more effectively manually than by any automatic process - which often seems on Facebook to give the wrong text. Manually I can tweak the text, add hash tags, choose an image, make my own comments etc. Throwing all that away because it takes a couple of minutes work seems more than stupid.

My map would have one spot labelled London. Don't need a GPS for that Smile Badges/Awards? Don't be silly!

Of the initial page designs I prefer No 1, though I think it has junk that could usefully be removed - like 'My Sets' and those huge numbers - make them a sensible size. I don't like the look of image 2. Best keep things clean and simple - and no need to repeat more than the photographer name from image 1, use the space for a better layout.

I can't imagine myself ever referring anyone to this page, but it would often be useful to me to be able to find my past stories easily on Demotix as I sometimes what to link to them from my blog. I think currently the Dashboard only lists the last 10 stories. So it would be helpful if the profile page would enable anyone to readily find all the stories by the photographer. Perhaps through a search box?

Presumably the slide show is just intended as another way of showing the images that are on Image 1, but larger?

StephenSidlo
Stephen Sidlo
Joined: 14/07/2009
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Peter,

Valid points. It can work as both. Imagine yourself as a small journalist in Chad, your local paper is censored by the government, they buy your images but wont print, your view is tarnished or changed. You send your images into a photo agency, but the images are swallowed up in the mass of millions. Facebook currently is the largest online photo storage company, good luck finding any though.

Adding context that surrounds the images, article, captions and keywords - helps the images reach further fields, sparks debate and it can be argued, change. Social powered profiles can support that - not all PJ's are here to make money. We have many that want the word out.

Stephen

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SojournerMedia
Peter Manning
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@Peter, you have some good points, I didn't refer to Demotix as social networking, and also don't think they should become a social networking site, as for social media, I am sure you are aware can be a powerful tool, you may be right in saying you can post stories more affectively manually (changing text, hash tags etc) that is why I was suggesting the Demotix could develop integration through the various social media sites API's, it could all be done at the point of publishing a story, just a couple of addition boxes to add details you wish, I was just using my automatic method as an example, it would be nice if Demotix had analytics so I could see if this if effective...

tombarfield
Tom Barfield
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I have to agree with Stephen and Peter's points above, broadly. Demotix isn't just a photo agency - it's also a platform for people who otherwise wouldn't be able to get their reporting out to the world.

This means that it's our responsibility to cater for both types of user - those of you who want to upload your stories and leave us to get on with the job of marketing them, and those who want to personally get involved in making sure that as many people as possible see them.

I'd just like to drop in a quote here from one of my former lecturers, in the introduction to a paper he's just written for the Soros Foundation called "Mapping Digital Media: Social Media and News"(pdf, 200kB).

The incredible growth of social media has dominated the Web 2.0 decade. With research showing that most
internet users stumble across news online while looking for something else, news organizations can no more
ignore social media than they can ignore the communities they seek to serve (and the markets which its
advertisers seek to reach).

News organizations are being sidestepped by newsmakers that use social media to communicate directly
with audiences; news products are being unbundled across multiple platforms; and production processes are
becoming more networked.

This encompasses a lot of the conclusions we have to draw from looking at traffic patterns to Demotix and how our stories spread online.

The flip side of the "Demotix should just be a photo agency" argument is - who will we be selling those photos to in five years? In ten years? Newspaper budgets are only getting smaller, guys - we need to be preparing for whatever comes afterwards.

Tom Barfield- Site Editor and Community Manager
twitter: @tombarfield
email: tom {at} demotix.com

jagraphics
Chris Hills
Joined: 29/05/2010
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don't you just hate it when he is right Smile

Chris Hills
Jagraphics
www.jagraphics.co.uk/photo

craigshepheard
Craig Shepheard
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I think the profile page should be about the work that you produce. I am not bothered by the social media add ons. I use Twitter and Facebook to highlight certain stories to friends and associates.

I would like people to be able to go back through my entire history of images (rather than the last 10 stories) so that people can see what work I have produced, this may lead to commission stuff, you never know.

I would also like to see a section that could show any tear sheets that you get from the newspapers and magazines so people looking at your profile can see how your images are being used as well as understanding what images sell better than others. This is also useful when your images get used across several papers and certain papers will choose a certain style of imagery whereas others will choose something different. I know that you will not be able to get tear sheets from every paper but this subject has been raised many times across the forum. The recent small selection on the blog was interesting for images used in January but I feel the whole Demotix community would like to see more examples of the success that we are beginning to routinely generate.

With regard to the layout I will leave that upto you and the techie guys to come up with a consensus opinion and that works smoothly and automatically from our uploads. Keep up the good work. Smile

Craig Shepheard
You Have Been Photographed
http://www.youhavebeenphotographed.com

lawmoment
Lawrence JC Baron
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I tend to agree with Peter, "itself essentially as a picture agency" the only difference being that the general public can still access our news reports. Of course there is always the issue of breaking news and exclusives but I am sure Demotix will one day soon come round to sorting this aspect to everyone's great benefit.

Speaking of benefit, I cannot wait for demotix to introduce the Android app. Yesterday I came across a small protest but could only upload quickly to Facebook and Twitter, I had to wait till the evening to upload my mobile images to Demotix; I could have done it directly via the browser on my phone but it is too fiddly and did not have the time.

ITMT Today the issue in PJ is not sharing our images but getting our images in front of the right people who are prepared to pay for them. Speaking for myself this is not my main income activity and cannot do my own marketing on a regular basis so I'd rather that demotix focused on this aspect for me. Not only are the sales team miles better from what I can do, but the chances are that if we do our own marketing we'd be competing with Demotix for the same Pound or Dollar.

For me the upload page or rather the whole system should be the means of getting images as quickly as possible to buyers. There are many things Demotix could do to automate this process.

Sure, the profile page can have a face lift but only to the extent that it conveys to people that we are serious and do professional work. For me the profile page is there to show event organizers, and other interested parties, what I do on demotix and of course to challenge anyone who suggests I am neither a photojournalist nor a professional one.

And finally, to repeat myself, demotix should have their own stock pages for images that do not fit a story or are extras.

BTW love the new forum interface, feel obliged to contribute more to discussions now, great stuff Tom, Alex, Nuno and the team.

best

Lawrence

Lawmoment - Lawrence also on my website www.lawmoment.com

lawmoment
Lawrence JC Baron
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OK, thanks,

great new look, love the discussion, would be great if the spam bot allowed me to contribute¡¡¡¡¡¡

Lawmoment - Lawrence also on my website www.lawmoment.com

KenJack
Ken Jack
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I think Stephen and Tom make two particularly telling points - firstly, that Demotix can (and does) function as a platform on which news can be reported which might not otherwise see the light of day, because of repressive regimes, political bias of some established media, etc., and secondly, with the way things are going with traditional print media, if Demotix geared up as just a. n. other picture agency, it is likely to find itself trying to sell into a dwindling market.

I think it is probable that one of the reasons for the success of Demotix to date is that it has adopted a different model, carrying not just pictures, but stories, and could increasingly become a news destination in its own right. This is one of its unique selling points. It allows many talented photographers and journalists, or at least photojournalists, to bypass the closed shop of the established media. Of course even the established press are waking up to the fact that online is the place to be, and the lines of demarcation between staffers and old-style stringers are becoming somewhat blurry, with bloggers and freelance contributors being relied on more and more, and many staff jobs falling victim to cost-cutting.

As for the profile page itself, some of the discussion makes it sound as though Demotix is trying to substitute that for the main part of the site! At worst, what harm can it do? But it can be a reference when credentials are asked for, a ready showcase for the work one has contributed, and as and when Demotix develop the assignment side of things more, can give clients an opportunity to match contributors to the brief.

Slightly off-topic - I very much agree with Lawrence Baron's comment above that Demotix should develop stock pages for images which for one reason or another do not fit a story, but may be marketable. Between us, we must be sitting tens of thousands of potentially saleable images of this sort.

Lastly, we might not always agree with how things are being done, or the detail of how the site looks, but I think we must acknowledge and applaud the effort the team is putting into developing Demotix and the site, and the fact that we get the chance to offer our tuppenceworth - that doesn't happen everywhere!

Ken Jack

koolbreez
Steve Storey
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Just as a side comment, there are very many stock agencies out there to join, and it would be extremely hard for Demotix to compete with them, as they are all up to date, and in tune with current, and future stock sale needs.

Demotix is the leader in the new, and growing trend in photojournalism. It is much better to grow in this area as a leader rather than shift a portion of valuable time, and resources into the saturated market of stock.

I can give anyone a long list of search options to find a stock agency that would fit your individual needs.

Just a Traveler With a Camera

koolbreez
Steve Storey
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The main things I need on a profile of this sort is a chronological listing of what I've had published, a listing of tear sheets to show professional sales, and a way to contact me (with this being optional as to how it is done). I personally do not want a publicly listed email, but I do want some way secure that people can contact me. There is way to much opportunity for email fishing if emails are publicly listed.

Just as many other large recognized professional news services do, there is no need to make a picture obligatory on the profile. Anyone with a legitimate need to check if a certain member is in fact a card carrying member can do this with a simple phone call to confirm identity, as any other agency does. It is not an industry standard to require pictures on a profile to prove identity. If there is a question it is done with a phone call.

Just a Traveler With a Camera

jagraphics
Chris Hills
Joined: 29/05/2010
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A simple phone call to check? Who do you call? Who would they be able to give any confirmation when no one at Demotix has either seen you or had any proof of id?

Chris Hills
Jagraphics
www.jagraphics.co.uk/photo

devgogoi
Dev Gogoi
Joined: 30/10/2009
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@Chris _ Point! I always felt that the DPP at least ought to be issued against a standard photo ID: passport/driver's license/etc. However, it's clearly impossible for London-based Demotix to verify all comers from all corners of the globe, and given the "citizen journalism" paradigm, the prominent disclaimer against every photo is only to be expected. Caveat emptor.

On the other hand, reputations are earned over time, not instantly acquired off-the-shelf, and Demotix has proved itself by its outstanding track record. And it's good to see the intellectual property warning alongside every photo.

Moving forward, the refurbished profile pages will hopefully provide the kind of information that usefully furthers the interests of both contributors and clients.

At the end of the day, and this is the best part, the pictures speak for themselves.

lawmoment
Lawrence JC Baron
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Hello Steve, "than shift a portion of valuable time, and resources into the saturated market of stock"
Firstly, having a stock side to the operation wouldn't interfere much with the daily operations of Demotix. 1) they would need a team for this and they would have to earn their keep, 2) we'll only be uploading editorial most of the time so it is more straight forward than doing commercial with model releases and all that, 3) the editorial clients would probably be the same clients that buy the news stock so this just synergy for demotix, and 4) there is always the option of getting one of the partners to handle the stock side anyway.

As for the stock agencies ""there are very many stock agencies out there to join"", I personally object that people get accreditation as Demotix photographers and then sell any stock via other organizations. At the beginning this might have been ok, but four years down the line a lot of people have worked hard to create the Demotix brand. If there is any money to be made from Demotix accredited stock, I'd rather have that money go to safeguard the jobs of the people who work at Demotix, or better still increase their wages. In any case, many of those stock agencies in the past did (maybe they still do) stipulate that if they accredited you for an event they did so on an exclusive basis. Of course, if you're not accredited by Demotix then it is not an issue.

As for the photo of us on the profile page, maybe it shouldn't be obligatory and maybe it is not an industry standard, but it is certainly good practice in the industry since many media organizations do have photos of their reporters. In any case, as Chris point out, who are people going to call at Demotix, and how do Demotix know who we are from a thousand miles away?

But the reason to have a full profile is because there are still people out there who want to discredit what we do. After all there are still some people out there who behave like spoilt brats who go running to mummy when things do not go their own way.

best Lawrence

Lawmoment - Lawrence also on my website www.lawmoment.com

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Lawrence JC Baron
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Hi Tom, maybe the forum should be shut down until the spam problem can be solved. There is a lot of non sense being posted but the serious contributions are being arbitrarily shut out. best Lawrence

Lawmoment - Lawrence also on my website www.lawmoment.com

petermarshall
Peter Marshall
Joined: 21/05/2009
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I think Lawrence is spot on about stock and about the photos and profiles, and it certainly is good practice.

And it would be good to avoid personal abuse and petty bickering here - abuse doesn't help anyone to get their arguments taken seriously.

Peter

lynchpics
john Lynch
Joined: 08/06/2009
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Regarding Demotix developing a stock collection, i think it could work well and yes as people have said there are lots of other stock agencies out there but Demotix could compete with them as they prove at the moment with their success selling breaking news images. I have sold images elsewhere which are used to illustrate articles in newspapers and magazines which would not be classed as ' breaking news' so there is a market there. Do Demotix see this as a market worth targeting?

Its an interesting option and one that could increase sales of our work,breaking news images have a short life span but those images marketed as editorial rights managed stock can sell again and again. I have images i could upload that wouldn't be classed as breaking news now but could still sell.

As Ken said earlier "Between us, we must be sitting tens of thousands of potentially saleable images of this sort." At the end of the day its up to the team at Demotix,they have a idea of where they want to go and i would guess that they have already looked at the pros and cons for going down that road.

As i said its very interesting.

koolbreez
Steve Storey
Joined: 10/07/2010
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Demotix does currently have an editorial picture archive itself, and also with Corbis. There would be no change for editorial stock as to how it is done now. Your best pictures are accepted into a searchable archive. We do have an editorial searchable archive. We don't call it a "stock" agency, but that is what it is.

Under the guise of a separate stock agency there are many of the images accepted into Demotix's archive that would not even be considered because of quality issues as worthy of being in a separate stock portfolio. Just because you have more images covering an event does not mean they would be accepted into a stock agency. They require strict quality guidelines be met, and do not want multiple shots of the same thing. Just because you have different angles of the same shot does not mean the different ones would be accepted into a stock archive, they wouldn't. They also only want the best, and not multiple angles of the same thing. The quality issue would be much more strict than Demotix's current laxness.

That is why I say if you think you have other images you want put into stock, then approach a stock agency, and see if they meet the requirements. You have already uploaded what you consider your best images to Demotix, and we have further edited those for inclusion into the Corbis archive of editorial stock.

The rest of your images you have, under the premise that you have uploaded the best to Demotix, are of no interest, and you are free to market them however you want. You have met your perceived moral issue in providing Demotix with your best given they provided you with the credentials to shoot the event. The rest of your images you are morally allowed to do with as you wish.

You seem to feel that once a few days pass your photos are deleted, and this is not the case. Your photos are put into the Demotix searchable archive as soon as you upload them, and the best of those are sent to the Corbis archive for future use when someone searches for them by key word. They are already in a stock agency for sale. There are no extra images covering the same thing that would be accepted into a stock agency that aren't already uploaded to Demotix by you. If you have images that are covering different things then you should be uploading them into a different story, but images covering the same thing are yours to do with as you wish once you have uploaded the best to Demotix.

Just a Traveler With a Camera

craigshepheard
Craig Shepheard
Joined: 28/02/2009
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I agree with Steve's point about the searchable archive. I recently had a centre page in the Daily Star of the directors of the 99p stores as they were about to sell their company for £60 million. The images that were used were uploaded to Demotix nearly 1 year ago and because they were tagged with the relevant information, it was easy for the Daily Star to find them from the archive. So Demotix's system does work.

Craig Shepheard
You Have Been Photographed
http://www.youhavebeenphotographed.com

nunobkk
Nuno Alexandre
Joined: 02/12/2009
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same as #11

best regards,
Nuno Alexandre
http://www.nuno-alexandre.com

abolotnov
abolotnov
Joined: 02/03/2009
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I'm very sorry for my very private opinion on this but isn't this whole thing clearly stating something like "we are not sure we know what we are doing here in terms of focus and usability and will collect opinions to allow the majority to speak out on the most suitable option given and stick to it"? If that's it you could have said this. I think most of the options don't stand a chance to be considered somewhat deserving to be put up as "grand re-design of things" and thus everyone chipping in a buck for hiring a proper usability designer would probably be the best kind of help provided Smile No offence right, I know this sounds little tough but after all it's only an opinion of one stupid Smile

I actually think current design does work and it is ok how profile page looks and all. It's about little things that you could start improving to make whole experience better. And I think these little improvements would make more impact than trying to change big things all at once.

I doubt changing user profile page will imprint more impact than 10 little changes to this forum page. Sorry again for anything that sounded tough - I wasn't trying to defile the idea or the approach.

danielle-richards
Danielle Richards
Joined: 20/01/2010
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Personally, Profile Option 5 the best. To me, it is the cleanest and easiest to navigate design. It just makes sense, both visually and functionally.

Danielle Richards
www.jerseygirlstockimages.com

Evangelia_Spil
Evangelia Spiliotopoulou
Joined: 13/02/2012
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My view point is that the 5 (the slide show) is the better from the others, cause byers have a better view from the photos that uploading and the photos on demand is in front of theyr eyes. I think that take smaller time to take a look in a slideshow than anyone page who have stuck all the material in a page.

And also i prefer the dark backround cause the image look more dramatic and live.

bruxphot
Sander de Wilde
Joined: 14/12/2011
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Great work. Clean,FAST, and easy, that's important.
I'd like the no.5 design, with some big previews of the personal best pics.
This site shouldn't be only about news-quality, but also about photographic quality, and that shows in this design. Not too much text, but great images, that's what I like.

Sander de Wilde
+32(0)4 95 79 39 22
info@sanderdewilde.com
Brussels

daphne
Daphne Tolis
Joined: 21/01/2011
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Hello Tom,
I like Profile option 4 but without the 'member of' so highlighted/emphasized..
I also like Profile option 5 - it is similar to 4 - but without the 'comments left' button.
'Stories', 'images', 'video' is more direct..Comments could be anything, from question, observation, etc..
It gets a bit busy if we see numbers of comments, likes, tweets one has done..
And since we are bombarded by this information anyway,whether we want it or not..
We all use some kind of social media...

D.Tolis

Heimana
Olivier Vin
Joined: 30/01/2009
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Hi,

I like the profile #5 image 1 and image 3. Images needs to be displayed in front and relatively big size, I like the slideshow too!

www.heymana.com
twitter : @heimana

Vedat_Xhymshiti
Vedat Xhymshiti
Joined: 12/05/2009
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I would be more happy to have a full page slide show of the latest images of covered story....

Vedat Xhymshiti
documentary photographer
Independent Journalist

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http://vedatxhymshiti.blogspot.com/
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BETTO
Alberto-Sibaja Ramirez
Joined: 05/09/2011
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is it great the option 3 image 1!!!

jordimatas
Jordi Matas
Joined: 30/09/2009
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Definitely Option 4 and Option 5.
Good work!

Jordi Matas
Freelance Photojournalist / Photographer / Videographer
Johannesburg, South Africa
http://www.jordimatas.net
+27715546760

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